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End-Gaining 2

edited March 2006 in Learning
Could you please explain why Alexander did not think that end-gaining was good?


  • doddod
    edited April 2006
    Hello Malcolm,

    I suppose the simplest answer to your question is that Alexander believed end-gaining caused poor use.

  • edited December 1969
    Hi Dod and malcolm
    im new to AT too so please take this as just my opinion.
    I am not a teacher nor do i have one as yet.

    "Could you please explain why Alexander did not think that end-gaining was good?"

    you want to pass driving test.(goal) so you take lessons.were you to constantly think about passing driving test (end game) while taking lesson you would not be paying attention to the lesson.
    nothing "wrong" with the goal,but best to concentrate on lesson now or failure could follow.
    This is just my view on end game,so comments,corrections most welcome.
    great to meet you folks.
  • hello iam rajesh,
    i think end gaining is exactly muscular doing .
    ex: my stomach is big. in end gaining i will pull my stomach in for looking slimmer.
    i achieved my end with in seconds. i satisfied with my end. but in reality after one or two hours for maintaining the balance of the body the other
    muscles of the body shift to different locations losing Alexander directions, and they are misdirected.
    so , again you will think , oh this is very difficult to do pulling the stomach, so you drop your wish to pull and the old habit repeats once again.
    if you pull the stomach continuously with out thinking any thing and you made that one as a habit , then it is fixed and the total body disturbs and your
    breathing changes chronically and disturbs and you will be like a ill man.
    so , my example above reveals why end gaining is very bad.

    thank you.
  • End-gaining is fine - if you are familiar with how to carry out the goal. Go for it! For instance, a music conductor gives a signal and the orchestra or band follows his directing with the goal of creating coordinated, beautiful music. - That's successful endgaining.

    It's not fine when you are trying to apply former experience and whatever you know to a new challenge - and it doesn't really help. If you don't follow a new process to get a new goal, you will be practicing something else.

    Yes, those both are very good answers by both shuggie and Rajesh. Sticking to the process of learning without worrying or anticipating a goal unifies our attention. We can also fulfill a short-term goal, without considering the long-term effects.

    I'll narrate a bit what happens when someone is learning. A person imagines a reason to practice a new ability. When you set a priority, your body will obey, whatever the cost. In order to perform many actions satisfactorily, the action needs to become a practiced routine. Whenever you train yourself to do something, it will disappear as it becomes innate. It's possible to forget what you trained yourself to do. It is possible to train yourself to do a completely opposite action, without knowing you are still doing the first. The result can be painful.
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